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07 December 2007 @ 10:43 am
Cultural Exchange  
Okay, I've been long convinced that the Japanese adopted the western (Gregorian) calendar at some point, although I wasn't sure when or how, exactly. The dates lining up can't be a coincidence, even if they had their own solar calendar. Besides, unlike everyone else in Asia it's not a traditional lunar calendar (well, that may be out of date, it seems that mainland China adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1929, but not Hong Kong. Presumably Taiwan uses it as well, since the Nationalists were in control of the mainland in 1929 -- more or less, anyway -- before withdrawing to the island. I don't think the Communists changed it. I imagine Hong Kong was forced to change once under Communist control, though. But the point stands, they all once used lunar or lunisolar calendars of some sort).

And, well, it turns out that the Japanese adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1873 during the Meiji Restoration, which is what I was thinking was probably the case.

But here's the freaky bit. I just noticed that the Japanese and Latin days of the week are the exactly the same. Three modern English weekdays are the same as Latin, the rest are German or Norse:

Monday: Moon Day [same in most European languages, Romance or otherwise]
Tuesday: Tyr's Day [German god of war, lines up with Roman Mars]
Wednesday: Wodin's Day [Norse -- doesn't really line up with anything Roman]
Thursday: Thor's Day [Norse -- Thunder to go with Roman Jupiter's lightning]
Friday: Freya's Day [Norse -- or possibly Friga/Frigg's day, those are German/Norse goddesses of beauty like Roman Venus]
Saturday: Saturn Day [Roman]
Sunday: Sun Day [Roman, same in most European languages]

But in Japanese (Roman weekdays):

Mon: 月曜日 (getsuyoubi/moon day) - 月 (tsuki/Moon) - Moon Day
Tue: 火曜日 (kayoubi/fire day) - 火星 (kasei/fire star/Mars) - Mars Day
Wed: 水曜日 (suiyoubi/water day) - 水星 (suisei/water star/Mercury) - Mercury Day
Thu: 木曜日 (mokuyoubi/wood day) - 木星 (mokusei/wood star/Jupiter) - Jupiter Day
Fri: 金曜日 (kinyoubi/gold day) - 金星 (kinsei/gold star/Venus) - Venus Day
Sat: 土曜日 (doyoubi/earth day) - 土星 (dosei/earth star/Saturn) - Saturn Day
Sun: 日曜日 (nichiyoubi/sun day) - 日 (hi/Sun) - Sun Day

Which matches up exactly with the Roman days. Hindi and Korean apparently do as well (but not Chinese, which uses numbered days, which is another common pattern, even in Europe).

And I just noticed that, because the only planet name I knew in Japanese was Saturn, and the connection didn't occur to me (I'd long since noticed that Monday and Sunday matched up, but figured that could just be coincidence and got lined up when they synchronized calendars). I guess now it's pretty easy to remember the Japanese planet names, since I already know the days of the week (for an additional weird connection, think Mercury -> water planet -> fluid metal -> mercury, which probably isn't coincidence, either. And in Europe, that connection is older than any real contact with East Asia, so...)

Of course, I'm curious as to how it happened. Were the days of the week in Japan adopted from the west? Did it happen during the Meiji Restoration? Or during earlier contact? A lot of these changes followed Christian missionaries around the globe -- but the Portuguese, who sent the first missionaries to Japan don't use planetary days of the week, they use numbered days. On the other hand, they were bringing Latin with them, and presumably would have been teaching Latin to the converted so they could understand mass... But what about the planets? Do they have traditional Japanese names and changed to match the days, or vice-versa? And how to explain Mercury as the water planet, like the water metal? I suppose it's possible to rationalize, but it's still an interesting coincidence: Mars is red (fire -- okay, pretty obvious), Mercury is fastest (like water, if you need to pick a Chinese element, that makes most sense, which is apparently where the planet or weekday names came from, whichever came first), Jupiter for wood (uh, okay, whatever), Saturn for earth or soil (uh, okay, whatever), Venus for gold (it is pretty bright, and a bit on the yellow side when low in the sky).

I guess the planets probably came first, if I was going to guess, Jupiter and Saturn don't really match up very well to anything in the west that I can see without getting unlikely and obscure.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find out all that much yet. But I'm very, very curious.
 
 
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sf_readersf_reader on December 7th, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC)
I visited the Museum of Deaf Culture this past weekend. That is Deaf with a capital "D." Those for whom ASL is their first language.

In one of the displays I learned that American Sign Language is linguistically complete and shares no grammatical similarities with English. In terms of syntax, ASL shares more with spoken Japanese.
Douglas Triggs: languagedoubt72 on December 8th, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
Huh, I went and did some reading on ASL grammar.

While it isn't anything like English, other than a few superficial similarities (the lack of plurals -- which, actually, Japanese sort of has, just almost never uses), it isn't really anything like Japanese either (except, maybe, in the sense that Japanese grammar is "not like English").

It's actually pretty fascinating, because unlike English (which is SVO -- Subject-Verb-Object) and Japanese (SOV), ASL is an OSV language, which as far as I know isn't actually found in any natural spoken language (about 90% of non-synthetic, i.e. non-inflected, languages are SOV or SVO, the balance being VSO like Welsh. Why there aren't any OSV or OVS or VOS languages, nobody really knows). Whether it's an artifact of its origins or evolved on its own (I strongly suspect the former), that makes it pretty much unlike any spoken language in its core grammar.

Really interesting stuff, I wonder how hard it is to learn?

[edited for typo]


Edited at 2007-12-08 02:27 am (UTC)
sf_reader: native americansf_reader on December 8th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC)
Looks like I will need to change what I put down about ASL on the page about the museum.

I would think it would be realtively easy to learn. For one thing, you would share a second language (writen English) with the person amd could spell out things you hadn't yet learned. Also body language plays a big part.

It is easy to find classes here, since the Kansas School for the Deaf is in town. But there aren't that many people to communicate with, away from here. Only a small % of those who have lost their hearing are in the Deaf community.

Most people who lose their hearing as adults, have English as their first language and rely on hearing aids & lip reading rather than sign language.
Douglas Triggs: taodoubt72 on December 10th, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
Huh, there are often a group of deaf people at the coffeehouse I frequent (at least I assume they're deaf, they spend their time conversing in some sort of sign language, presumably ASL).
Firsaroofshadow on December 12th, 2007 04:08 am (UTC)
If you had been a Sailor Moon fan you would have figured this out long ago. ^_~
Douglas Triggs: cateyesdoubt72 on December 13th, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
What, the days of the week figure into that somehow?